Friday, February 22, 2008

Transcript of February 13, 2008 conference call with Administrative Law Judge on St. Augusinte's Illegal Dumping in West Augustine, Lincolnville

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1 STATE OF FLORIDA

2 DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS

3 Case No. 08-0213

4 JUDITH AND ANTHONY SERAPHIN

5 Plaintiffs,

6 vs.

7 CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE and
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION,
8 Defendants,

9 _______________________________________

10 TELEPHONIC HEARING BEFORE

11 J. LAWRENCE JOHNSTON, ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE

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13 DATE TAKEN: Wednesday, February 13, 2008

14 PLACE TAKEN: 24 Cathedral Place
St. Augustine, Florida 32084
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TIME: 2:00 - 2:55 P.m.
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BEFORE: LAURA DWYER PIERLE, RPR
17 STENOGRAPHIC COURT REPORTER
AND NOTARY PUBLIC- STATE
18 OF FLORIDA AT LARGE

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22 ST. AUGUSTINE COURT REPORTERS
1510 NORTH PONCE DE LEON BOULEVARD, SUITE A
23 ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA 32084
904-825-0570
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1 APPEARANCES:

2 On behalf of the Plaintiffs:
JUDITH SERAPHIN, PRO SE
3 24 CATHEDRAL PLACE
ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA 32084
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5 On behalf of the DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION:
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
6 3900 COMMONWEALTH BOULEVARD
MAIL SLOP 36
7 TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA 32399-3000
By: KAREN BISHOP, ESQUIRE
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9 On behalf of the CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE:
CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE
10 POST OFFICE BOX 210
ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA 32085
11 By: RONALD W. BROWN, ESQUIRE

12 AKERMAN, SENTERFITT & EDISON
420 SOUTH ORANGE AVENUE
13 SUITE 1200
ORLANDO, FLORIDA 32801-4904
14 BY: WILLIAM PENCE, ESQUIRE

15 INTERVENORS:

16 JOHN HAGARTY, ESQUIRE
DEBRA VALENTI-EPSTEIN, ESQUIRE
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18 ALSO PRESENT:

19 DR. DWIGHT HINES
EDWARD SLAVIN
20 KATI BEXLEY, ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD

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1 P R O C E E D I N G S

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3 THE COURT: This is Johnston calling into the

4 conference. Could I ask, first of all, who is on

5 the line on behalf of DEP?

6 MS. BISHOP: Your Honor, this is Karen Bishop

7 representing the Department.

8 MS. SERAPHIN: Hello.

9 THE COURT: Okay.

10 This is -- someone just called in. I am

11 taking roll call right now. So just hold on for a

12 second.

13 MS. SERAPHIN: Okay.

14 THE COURT: Karen Bishop on behalf of DEP.

15 What about for the City of St. Augustine?

16 MR. PENCE: Your Honor, this is Bill Pence

17 and Ed Cole from Akerman, Senterfitt and Ron

18 Brown, City Attorney.

19 THE COURT: And are the Seraphins on the

20 line?

21 MS. SERAPHIN: Judith Seraphin is. Hello.

22 THE COURT: Okay. Are you expecting your

23 husband also on the line?

24 MS. SERAPHIN: No. My husband -- we are a

25 disaster company. And right now -- we are in

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1 Arkansas, because the tornado took down the roof

2 of one of the hospitals, one of the few hospitals

3 here in the Ozark Mountain area where we are

4 working, and right now it's an emergency crew. So

5 he is working on that job.

6 THE COURT: Okay.

7 MS. SERAPHIN: So you won't hear from both of

8 us, just from me.

9 THE COURT: Okay.

10 Is there anybody else on the line?

11 MS. BEXLEY: I am Kati Bexley, from the

12 St. Augustine Record, newspaper in St. Augustine.

13 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Hello. This is Debra

14 Valenti-Epstein. I'm one of the intervenors.

15 THE COURT: Okay.

16 MR. HAGARTY: And, Your Honor, I'm John

17 Hagarty. I am another one of the intervenors.

18 THE COURT: Okay.

19 MR. SLAVIN: And, Your Honor, this is Ed

20 Slavin with Dwight Hines, two of the Petitioners,

21 and were are here in St. Augustine with the court

22 reporter.

23 THE COURT: Okay. Who else did you say was

24 there?

25 MR. SLAVIN: Dr. Dwight Hines and a court

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1 reporter.

2 THE COURT: Okay. All right. Anybody else?

3 Okay. Well, I thought I was hoping that this

4 would be the best way to get the case started in

5 light of everything that has been filed already in

6 the case and also for purposes of scheduling the

7 hearing.

8 I note that the -- well, first of all, let me

9 say this. It is my understanding of what's

10 happened and it's not that clear to me, because

11 the file is lengthy and confusing already, but I

12 understand that what has happened in this case is

13 that a petition was filed by, among other people,

14 the Seraphins and Mr. Slavin and I think maybe

15 Dr. Hines may have been involved in that petition

16 as well. And DEP considered that and apparently

17 made a ruling that said that that only the

18 Seraphins had standing and dismissed as to the

19 others with leave to amend by January 15th.

20 I have recently seen some amended pleadings

21 on behalf of, I believe, Mr. Slavin and also

22 Dr. Hines and maybe someone else. But my

23 understanding would be that those pleadings would

24 be filed with DEP, not with DOAH, that the only

25 thing that's been referred to me is the Seraphins'

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1 petition.

2 Does anybody have a different understanding

3 of that?

4 MS. BISHOP: Your Honor, that would be the

5 Department's intention in sending it over it only

6 applied to the Seraphins.

7 THE COURT: So what I am saying as to

8 Mr. Slavin and Mr. Hines, your amended filings, if

9 they are not too late, should be taken up with DEP

10 directly, not with me and DOAH at this point in

11 time.

12 All right. Now there was -- there were --

13 there was a petition to intervene that was filed

14 by Debra Valenti-Epstein and Mr. Hagarty, who are

15 on the line.

16 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: That's correct.

17 THE COURT: And so I will ask at this point

18 is there any objection to those petitions -- that

19 petition to intervene by them?

20 MS. BISHOP: Your Honor, this is Karen Bishop

21 from the Department. I do object to the petition

22 and that it does not comply with the rule. It

23 does not state how the intervenors environmental

24 interests are affected by the consent order. And

25 it doesn't state any specific grounds on which you

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1 can make that determination.

2 THE COURT: All right. What I am going to do

3 is give you an opportunity to make a filing to

4 that affect, but in the meantime I will grant

5 their right to participate in this hearing subject

6 to my ruling on whatever it is that you file.

7 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Thank you, Your Honor.

8 MR. HAGARTY: Your Honor, thank you from John

9 Hagarty. I may respectfully suggest, and I

10 believe that our petition to intervene states that

11 we live one block closer to Riberia Street than

12 the Seraphins.

13 THE COURT: Right.

14 MR. HAGARTY: And as a matter of right if the

15 Department's position is that the Seraphins have

16 standing we certainly have standing because we

17 live closer to the effective lane of travel of the

18 dump trucks.

19 THE COURT: Okay. Yes, I did notice that.

20 MR. HAGARTY: But we would be happy to

21 further amend our petition to state it more

22 specifically, but I do think the petition in and

23 of itself is self-explanatory and if the

24 Department has no objection to the standing of the

25 Seraphins, I do not see how in good faith they

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1 could have objection to our petition to intervene.

2 THE COURT: I understand that. And they may

3 not file -- they may or may not actually file

4 something. But it would be -- so you are not

5 required to do anything right at this point in

6 time, only in response to if they file something

7 to dismiss your petition.

8 MR. HAGARTY: Thank you, Your Honor.

9 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Thank you.

10 THE COURT: Now, I just want to make sure --

11 or there has been a lot of things filed and a lot

12 of issues raised and there has been a motion, I

13 believe, to strike some of those issues that have

14 been raised or to dismiss the petition because of

15 the way it was filed, the way it was written and

16 some of the issues that are included in it. I

17 just want to make sure I have an understanding of

18 what -- hold on just a minute. I am going to

19 press the button to silence, do not disturb button

20 on my phone.

21 Okay. To continue, as I understand, this

22 involves a DEP consent order. And if I am

23 understanding correctly, and please correct me if

24 I am wrong about any of this, there is an old

25 landfill somewhere near St. Augustine, which I

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1 have been told is, I have read, is near a place

2 called Lincolnville or West Augustine or something

3 words descriptions like that. It's on Riberia

4 Street.

5 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Your Honor, this is

6 Debra Valenti-Epstein. If I may, there are two

7 sites spoken of, one is the original landfill on

8 Riberia, Lincolnville and the other is West

9 St. Augustine, which is near the Old City

10 Reservoir is located. So there is two --

11 THE COURT: Is that Holmes Boulevard?

12 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: That's correct, Your

13 Honor.

14 THE COURT: That's west?

15 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: That's correct, Your

16 Honor. There is two locations because the stuff

17 was brought from one site to the other. That's

18 why there is two sites.

19 THE COURT: That's the Old --

20 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Right. From Riberia

21 Street to Holmes Boulevard, which is West

22 St. Augustine.

23 THE COURT: All right. Now the reason

24 materials was being transferred from Riberia to

25 Holmes is because there was the City had requested

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1 and obtained a permit to create a wetland

2 mitigation site at that location; is that correct?

3 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: I think we are all in

4 agreement on that, Your Honor.

5 THE COURT: And then what happened was that

6 some of the material that was being taken out of

7 that site in order to create that wetland

8 mitigation project was winding up at the Holmes

9 Boulevard site in the Old City Reservoir.

10 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: That's correct. Along

11 with materials from other locations. Again, Debra

12 Valenti-Epstein. There was one location which

13 trash was being brought to Holmes Boulevard. One

14 of the sources was Riberia Street.

15 THE COURT: All right. That I wasn't aware

16 of three other sources.

17 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Yeah. Yard trash, lime

18 sludge and street sweeping from other locations

19 also.

20 THE COURT: Okay. Are all of those materials

21 violations or was it just the transfer from

22 Riberia?

23 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: All of them were done

24 without any permit for dumping in West

25 St. Augustine, Your Honor.

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1 THE COURT: Okay. And incidentally this

2 mitigation site permit, was that -- was that for

3 mitigation for another project of the City of

4 St. Augustine that was subject to DEP or some kind

5 of permitting, or was that just to create a

6 wetland that wasn't there before?

7 MR. PENCE: Your Honor, if I might, this is

8 Bill Pence. The City of St. Augustine is the

9 owner of a piece of property that is located

10 further north on Riberia Street. It was the site

11 of the Old St. Augustine Gasification Plant. The

12 City bought this property in the late 1980's for

13 the purpose of community redevelopment to try to

14 take an old industrial site and renovate the

15 neighborhood.

16 And it was discovered after they acquired

17 title to the property that there was contamination

18 on the property associated with the Old

19 Manufacturer Gas Plant. The City's plan for that

20 property was to develop it into a marina and a

21 mixed commercial, retail, residential project as

22 the new western gateway into the City of

23 St. Augustine.

24 In connection with the marina development on

25 that project, the City in the early 1990's applied

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1 for a dredge and fill permit for the marina. The

2 dredge and fill permit for the marina had a

3 mitigation component of it. And the City owned

4 property on the southern tip of Riberia Street,

5 which is truly the southern end of the peninsula

6 of the main downtown area of St. Augustine. The

7 City's Waste Water Treatment Plant is located on

8 that southern tip. And this property was

9 immediately adjacent to the Waste Water Treatment

10 Plant.

11 The City identified a portion of that

12 property for the mitigation site, which is now in

13 these pleadings as the Riberia Street property.

14 Permit was issued by the DEP and the Corp of

15 Engineers for the construction of a mitigation

16 area along the shoreline of that property. And so

17 the mitigation work that was done on the Riberia

18 Street property was, in fact, done pursuant to a

19 permit issued by DEP and the Water Management and

20 the Corp of Engineers.

21 THE COURT: Where did the landfill come in

22 then?

23 MR. PENCE: Well, the mitigation area

24 included a portion of a former dump site. That

25 part of St. Augustine is a peninsula that over a

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1 period of time was filled in. And it was used by

2 the local resident folks in that part of the City

3 as an area for dumping municipal waste. All of

4 that activity took place up to around the mid

5 '60's before landfills were permitted. And it is

6 now known within the regulatory community, these

7 sites are now former dump sites, they weren't

8 regulated landfills, and so they are unregulated,

9 at this point in time unregulated areas. There

10 are parks rules and guidance documents now that

11 provide that if you want to engage in any -- in

12 any development activities on these old dump

13 sites, that certain procedures are to be followed

14 and you have to consult with the Department before

15 disturbing materials on those old dump sites.

16 And the basic -- you know, to give you a

17 little factual background of what got us to the

18 consent order in this case. When the City started

19 the project, the mitigation project, they started

20 excavating an area that was set aside in the

21 permit for the mitigation. And they were

22 encountering debris and brick and tires and paper

23 and plastic and steel, but mostly soil, but there

24 was some solid waste materials that were

25 encountered as well. And the City was staging

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1 this material initially at Riberia Street. They

2 screened the material and pulled out what they

3 thought was material that should go to a landfill,

4 the steel and the tires and the paper and the

5 plastic.

6 And then when they started running out of

7 space for staging the material on Riberia Street,

8 they hauled the material to an 80 acre parcel that

9 is owned by the City of St. Augustine that's

10 located in West Augustine in the area of West

11 St. Augustine, it is actually outside of the City

12 limits. And this 80 acre parcel is a piece of

13 industrial property that the City was using as a

14 staging area for C & D debris.

15 This area that is referred to by some of the

16 petitioners as the Old City Reservoir was, in

17 fact, a borrow pit that was mined for coquina.

18 The City had a permit from the Water Management

19 District to mine the borrow pit for coquina that

20 was used for roadway purposes within the City of

21 St. Augustine. And there were portions of the 80

22 acre track that the City also was bringing lime

23 sludge from its Water Treatment Plant and staging

24 that lime soil, lime sludge there, street

25 sweepings were brought to the property in another

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1 area, and then the City was staging on one spot of

2 the property yard clearing debris when trees were

3 cut down and things like that, and they were

4 staged there until they had a big enough pile to

5 haul them off.

6 When complaints were -- when a complaint was

7 filed by Mr. Slavin with DEP and the EPA that

8 prompted an investigation. The investigation

9 resulted in determinations by DEP that there were

10 some civil violations associated with the

11 placement of the material that came from Riberia

12 Street on to the Holmes Boulevard property and

13 ultimately placed in the borrow pit.

14 MR. HAGARTY: As well as others, just so it's

15 clear, as well as other violations with the other

16 three materials that were --

17 MR. PENCE: I just hadn't gotten to those.

18 MR. HAGARTY: Okay.

19 MR. PENCE: I was doing them piecemeal.

20 MR. HAGARTY: Very good. Thank you very

21 much.

22 MR. PENCE: The alleged violations were that

23 there was solid waste that was brought from

24 Riberia Street and placed into the borrow pit.

25 The other alleged violations were that the staging

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1 area for the yard trash was done without a permit.

2 That permit just requires giving notice. We did

3 give notice after the enforcement action was

4 filed.

5 The City was told they couldn't stage C and D

6 debris on the site even for a short period of

7 time, that was being staged for less than two

8 weeks.

9 And the City was told that the placement of

10 lime sludge on the property and yard trash was a

11 violation of solid waste requirement. So the City

12 has removed yard trash.

13 But part of the comprehensive settlement of

14 those activities is the City's and DEP's

15 evidentiary consent order. The consent order

16 initially imposed some civil penalties for some of

17 the alleged violations and then required the City

18 to remove the material that was placed in the

19 borrow pit and return it to Riberia Street and

20 place it within the footprint of the existing

21 landfill.

22 The consent order also requires them to

23 recontour it and reimplement certain storm water

24 management issues. It requires some additional

25 sampling to be performed on the Holmes Boulevard

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1 site. And it requires a ground water monitoring

2 plan to be implemented on the Riberia Street site

3 after the material is returned.

4 THE COURT: What material is that, the C and

5 D material?

6 MR. PENCE: It's the material that was

7 removed from Riberia Street in the first place and

8 placed in the borrow pit.

9 THE COURT: What about the lime sludge and

10 yard trash?

11 MR. PENCE: The lime sludge and the yard

12 trash have already been removed. Your Honor,

13 actually the yard trash we have a permit now from

14 the Department to use that site for yard trash.

15 THE COURT: Is the lime sludge part of what's

16 going back to Riberia or not?

17 MR. PENCE: No. No.

18 THE COURT: Okay.

19 MR. PENCE: The lime sludge is being

20 beneficially reused today with DEP's approval.

21 THE COURT: All right.

22 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Your Honor, if I may,

23 this is Debra Valenti-Epstein. Part of our

24 problem -- part of our problem with this issue is

25 DEP never had independent verification of these

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1 materials were deposited separately, kept separate

2 and they weren't all being brought back to Riberia

3 Street. The DEP has not independently verified

4 any of that information.

5 MR. PENCE: I think, Your Honor, all though

6 that's not an issue for the consent order, but

7 before we could execute the consent order the

8 Department was, in fact, satisfied that that was

9 done.

10 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: We were --

11 THE COURT: Let me say this. This really

12 leads up to -- thank you. I appreciate the

13 explanation. It was roughly what I understood

14 with some additions and corrections and better

15 said than I would have tried to say it.

16 But that leads me to the point of -- it does

17 confirm my understanding that what this case is is

18 a challenge to the consent order. And based on my

19 understanding from what I have done -- I have been

20 involved with in the past, and also in reading

21 some of the -- going back and reading some of the

22 DEP final orders in this situation, it is my

23 understanding that the issue before me in this

24 proceeding is whether DEP abused its enforcement

25 discretion in agreeing to the terms of the consent

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1 order. That's what's in front of me --

2 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: That's correct.

3 THE COURT: -- in this case. So if your

4 concern is that they are not really doing what the

5 consent order says they should do, that would be

6 yet another enforcement proceeding, not part of

7 this challenge.

8 And it also leads me to, without going into

9 detail, because I can't do -- I'm not in a

10 position to do that right now, but a lot of what's

11 been put in the petition that was filed probably

12 is outside of the scope of this proceeding,

13 because it's limited, as I say, to whether DEP

14 entering into this consent order abused its -- its

15 enforcement discretion. That's what the case is

16 going to be about.

17 So probably I will enter some kind of an

18 order that will describe that -- some of the

19 issues that are raised in the petition would not

20 be considered in this seating. And it may be that

21 I would be going along with the suggestion by

22 whoever filed it, I think maybe possibly DEP and

23 the City, that it would be a good idea to file an

24 amended petition, which is more narrowly focused

25 and is in more compliance with our rules of filing

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1 petitions.

2 Incidentally, in that regard, I don't -- have

3 the Seraphins received a copy of the information

4 booklet that DOAH puts out on representing

5 yourself in front of DOAH?

6 MS. SERAPHIN: No, we have not, Your Honor.

7 THE COURT: You have not. Okay. And there

8 is -- probably -- do you have internet access?

9 MS. SERAPHIN: I can.

10 THE COURT: Maybe not at the moment.

11 MS. HASKIN: At some point of the mountains I

12 can get to in my car I can pick up internet

13 access. It's pretty rural up here.

14 THE COURT: Okay. DOAH has a website and on

15 the website you can find the DOAH Rules of

16 Procedure and also some information on how you

17 represent yourself in front of DOAH.

18 MS. SERAPHIN: Yes, I do, Your Honor.

19 THE COURT: It also gives information about

20 options of being represented by an attorney or

21 qualified representative if you are interested in

22 that.

23 MS. SERAPHIN: Thank you.

24 THE COURT: So that -- reference that, you

25 know, before you file your amended petition.

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1 MS. SERAPHIN: Okay.

2 THE COURT: The other -- okay. The next --

3 you can add to this after I get finished, but the

4 next thing that I think is at issue then is the

5 discovery that's apparently been filed and then

6 there has been motions for protective order in

7 part because I hadn't ruled on the motions to

8 dismiss, etc..

9 Having heard what I have had to say about the

10 scope of the proceedings, is there -- is there

11 still opposition at this point in time to the

12 discovery -- the responding to the discovery

13 that's been requested?

14 MS. BISHOP: Your Honor, this is Karen Bishop

15 from the Department. I mean, the issue that I

16 have was that, first of all, many of the issues

17 relate to issues that are outside of the scope of

18 proceeding and also that there are -- they exceed

19 the number allowed by the Rules of Civil

20 Procedure. That was the basis of my objection and

21 still is the basis for my objection.

22 THE COURT: Okay.

23 MR. PENCE: Your Honor, the City would join

24 in those objections and having expressed some more

25 objections.

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1 I might also point out a matter that may moot

2 this issue for you at this point in time, bring

3 you up to speed with where the City and the

4 Department are with respect to the consent order

5 that's at issue here.

6 The City and the Department attended a public

7 meeting several weeks ago, which was a follow-up

8 to an earlier public meeting that was held in

9 December on the issue of the consent order. And

10 as a result of those public meetings, the City and

11 DEP have engaged in discussions on other options

12 that may be available with respect to the

13 management of this material rather than returning

14 it to Riberia Street.

15 As a result of those discussions, the City

16 and the Department have reached a tentative

17 agreement that the material can be removed and

18 taken to the Nassau County Landfill as daily

19 cover. And we are in the process right now of

20 working out the specifics of that option,

21 including revising the removal and relocation plan

22 that was approved by the Department in the

23 original consent order.

24 We contemplate that all of this will be

25 completed within the next 60 days. And that the

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1 net result of all of that will be for the

2 Department to withdraw -- the Department and the

3 City to agree on the withdrawal of the consent

4 order, which is the subject matter of this

5 proceeding, and the entry of a separate consent

6 order that would provide for the removal of the

7 material from Holmes Boulevard and taking it to

8 the Nassau County Landfill.

9 And based upon our efforts to complete those

10 negotiations and our good faith belief that at

11 this time that we will be able to accomplish that

12 within the next 60 days, the City and the

13 Department jointly request a stay of these

14 proceedings, permit us to affect that amended

15 remedy.

16 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Your Honor, this is

17 Debra Valenti-Epstein. I just have one brief

18 comment, if I may, Your Honor. There is no motion

19 before Your Honor for this type of request.

20 If what Mr. Pence is suggesting is that they

21 intend to abandon consent order and enter a new

22 one, that's also not before this court at this

23 time. This is unsworn testimony negotiations

24 which Petitioners, again, have been excluded.

25 THE COURT: Well, it's an ore tenus motion, I

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1 believe. I guess you may want to follow up with a

2 written motion, Mr. Pence. But I did just want to

3 ask what your response to it is. It seems to me

4 like if it goes forward it would resolve your --

5 go a long way at least resolving the issue.

6 MS. SERAPHIN: Your Honor, may I speak to

7 this issue, sir.

8 THE COURT: Go ahead.

9 MS. SERAPHIN: This is Judith Seraphin. I

10 heard loud and clear what you said. And I wanted

11 to make two comments.

12 One, the public meetings that were held were

13 held by the neighborhood because the neighborhood

14 is so upset over this. The City did not -- the

15 City did attend both meetings. DEP did attend the

16 second meeting officially. But these meetings

17 were forced by the neighborhood, they weren't

18 offered by the City. The only reason the City is

19 even speaking to us now is because the City

20 realized that they are in a very awkward position.

21 THE COURT: Okay.

22 MS. SERAPHIN: We asked at the end of the

23 second meeting to be involved in all meetings

24 between DEP and the City and that has not

25 happened. The City and the DEP have continued

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1 having their own meetings without informing the

2 neighbors who are directly involved. And we would

3 have had one representative there, possibly two,

4 but we were never even told about the meetings.

5 And this is way the neighborhood tends to be

6 treated.

7 The other thing I want you to also realize is

8 I heard Mr. Pence talk about the scope of the

9 trash at Riberia Street. And he mentioned that

10 it's long been a dump yard and it's used by the

11 local residents. But he did forgot one very

12 important thing, yes, it has been used by the

13 local residents, but it's also been used by the

14 commercial boat building yard and many other

15 marine based businesses that are located on

16 Riberia.

17 So this dump yard, this area has a long

18 history of items being put in by heavily polluting

19 boat yards. The worry in the neighborhood is we

20 don't know what's in there. And we want to find

21 out what's in there. What's in, first of all, the

22 material that went to Holmes Boulevard and the

23 material that remains in Riberia Street. And by

24 excluding the neighborhood and any representatives

25 out of any conversations from DEP and the City, it

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1 just intensifies some of the paranoia.

2 MR. HAGARTY: Your Honor, if I might, John

3 Hagarty. That segue has been to and back to

4 Mr. Pence's oral motion today that, and apparently

5 I did not hear Ms. Bishop say anything to the

6 contrary, that the DEP and the City are in

7 negotiations to withdraw the existing consent

8 order. And I have a couple of comments regarding

9 that.

10 I do think Your Honor's thought is

11 well-taken, if that's the City's position and

12 DEP's position it should be formalized in a motion

13 so that we can all see it in writing.

14 And, secondly, that would trigger prevailing

15 party fees. And I suggest to every one here that

16 in the event that that is the City's position and

17 DEP's position, that essentially puts the

18 petitioner and/or petitioners in a position of

19 prevailing parties and we would in turn be filing

20 requests with the court for other parties fees.

21 And, thirdly, my last point is this, at this

22 point this is simply a bureau suggestion, and at

23 the same time a request for a stay of all

24 discovery. Unless and until the court has before

25 it a formal motion requesting that the consent

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1 decree be withdrawn, we would ask the court to at

2 least defer any ruling on a stay of discovery and

3 as suggested to the court to perhaps if that is

4 the City's position and DEP's position, that they

5 file a formal motion to withdraw the consent

6 agreement within 10 days so that this litigation

7 doesn't become unduly stalled or delayed.

8 MR. PENCE: Your Honor, if I may, please,

9 this is Bill Pence. And I am sure Mr. Hagarty and

10 Ms. Valenti-Epstein, who I believe both are

11 lawyers, understand Rule 28-106.204 paren 1,

12 expressly provides for motions to be made before

13 the administrative hearing officer. We haven't

14 formalized this motion yet. If you think that it

15 needs to be formalized we can. But you have both

16 parties before you that are joining in the motion

17 and we are both prepared to represent to you that

18 we in good faith, that we will resolve this

19 dispute in a manner that at least be between the

20 Department and the City will result in the

21 withdrawal of the consent order, which is the

22 subject matter of these proceedings.

23 THE COURT: Why don't we do this, there is no

24 reason why you can't make the motion orally as you

25 have. However, the others may not be, you know,

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1 prepared instantaneously to respond to it.

2 However, in this case it does bear on something

3 else that is before me, you know, today and, that

4 is, scheduling a final hearing or whether to

5 schedule a final hearing.

6 And what I would propose, if what Mr. Hagarty

7 is requesting is that it be put in writing, why

8 don't you all just -- why don't you do that and

9 also put in the motion to stay the proceedings,

10 that you've discussed it with the other parties,

11 the Seraphins and Ms. Valenti-Epstein and

12 Mr. Hagarty, and state what their position is and

13 at that point I'll -- it will either be something

14 that they would agree to or I would rule on it in

15 due course after I receive the motion.

16 Meantime -- and, as I say, it makes -- it

17 makes sense to me if that's the direction that

18 it's heading in that all parties would agree to

19 it.

20 MS. SERAPHIN: Your Honor, if I might add.

21 THE COURT: I would also say in terms of

22 scheduling a hearing, there has been a request for

23 a hearing to be scheduled March 10th. That's not

24 going to happen. It's not available on my

25 calendar. So I know there is not going to be any

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1 hearing scheduled actually before, based on my

2 calendar, probably before the week of April 28.

3 So do you want at this point to go forward

4 with scheduling a final hearing or do you want to

5 wait and see how the motion that Mr. Pence is

6 making falls out?

7 MR. HAGARTY: Just as a matter -- this is

8 John Hagarty, again. As a matter or orderly

9 administration, Your Honor, I might respectfully

10 request why don't we schedule a final hearing now,

11 that is always added benefit for all the parties

12 to turn their full attention to this matter.

13 THE COURT: Okay. How lengthy of a hearing

14 do you think it will be?

15 MS. BISHOP: Your Honor, it's the

16 Department's position that we would not need more

17 than two days.

18 MR. PENCE: The City concurs with that, Your

19 Honor.

20 THE COURT: Total or just for your two?

21 MS. BISHOP: Total.

22 MR. PENCE: Total.

23 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Your Honor, this is

24 Debra Valenti-Epstein. Depending on discovery

25 we've been unable to get from the City and from

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1 DEP this could take longer. We haven't yet

2 received discovery we've requested.

3 MS. BISHOP: Your Honor, if I may, this goes

4 back to the issue of what is at DOAH and what is

5 before DOAH. And what is before DOAH is whether

6 the consent order is reasonable. And the

7 particular allegations the Seraphins have raised

8 is that the trucks taking the waste back to

9 Riberia Street are effecting their environmental

10 interest. That's the only thing that's before the

11 court.

12 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: That's correct, Your

13 Honor. This is Debra Valenti-Epstein. There is

14 one item for the other consent agreement that is

15 relevant here. DEP has never conducted any

16 independent testing of the toxicity of the

17 material removed from the Riberia Street Landfill,

18 nor have they done any independent testing of

19 toxicity of these materials intended to return to

20 Riberia Street, and that's part of the discovery

21 request.

22 DEP is relying entirely on the lab that's

23 picked by the City and by Mr. Pence.

24 MS. BISHOP: Your Honor, if I may, there is

25 no legal requirement that the Department do its

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1 own testing.

2 THE COURT: Well --

3 MR. PENCE: I am assuming that, Your Honor,

4 DEP did do its testing and the petitioners are

5 aware of that.

6 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Your Honor, DEP said at

7 the January 10th public meeting they did not do

8 testing. And that the only testing that was done

9 was a few split samples given to them by the lab

10 that Mr. Pence choose and was part of the criminal

11 investigation by DEP and the DEP person that

12 entered into the consent agreement did not have

13 access to those results and those findings.

14 MR. PENCE: Those results --

15 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: And did not do its

16 independent testing.

17 MR. PENCE: The results from the criminal

18 investigation were recently circulated to the

19 parties made available by FDEP.

20 But, in any event, Your Honor, getting back

21 to the issue of the motion for the stay and the

22 basis for this. I just wanted to point out also,

23 so that you understood, this is not something that

24 we sprang upon the parties today. I personally

25 spoke with Mr. Seraphin on Friday as soon as it

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1 became apparent that the City and the State were

2 working towards a program where we thought we

3 could get this accomplished within 60 days. I had

4 a very lengthy telephone conversation with

5 Mr. Seraphin on Friday.

6 MS. SERAPHIN: He is not on the line right

7 now.

8 MR. PENCE: I had a very lengthy conversation

9 with Mr. Seraphin on Friday and explained to him

10 that we would be seeking a stay. His response to

11 me was, well, why wouldn't I agree to that stay,

12 because you are doing exactly what I want you to

13 do. I don't want the material brought became to

14 Riberia Street.

15 MR. HAGARTY: If I might respond, Your Honor,

16 John Hagarty. At this point I would like to

17 respond to Mr. Pence.

18 THE COURT: Okay. When he finishes then you

19 can respond.

20 MR. HAGARTY: Oh, I thought he finished. I

21 am sorry.

22 MR. PENCE: After Mr. Seraphin made that

23 comment I explained to him that I thought there

24 were other people that were participating in his

25 decision making process that may agree, or may not

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1 agree. And he said --

2 MR. HAGARTY: And that would be his wife.

3 MR. PENCE: Mr. Hagarty, I haven't

4 interrupted you one time.

5 MR. HAGARTY: Right.

6 MR. PENCE: I would appreciate you providing

7 me the simple courtesy at this hearing.

8 MR. HAGARTY: I certainly will.

9 MR. PENCE: In any event, Your Honor, we left

10 the telephone conversation on Friday with

11 Mr. Seraphin advising me that he was -- would be

12 flying home on Sunday and he would discuss it with

13 his wife and call me back on Monday.

14 I suggested to him also during my telephone

15 conversation on Friday that if it was convenient

16 for he and his wife, that we would have a

17 conference room available for this call today,

18 that they could come down and sit down and talk to

19 the City before the call, we could answer any

20 other questions they might have on the status of

21 our negotiations. I advised him that before

22 the -- before any amended consent order would be

23 signed, that the Department and the City had

24 agreed there would be a public meeting and we

25 would solicit input from the public to this

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1 alternate remedy. And he then indicated that he

2 would call me back Monday. Of course the tornados

3 then hit and he was understandably called to

4 Arkansas through his business. And I didn't hear

5 from him on Monday.

6 I tried calling on Tuesday and I did speak

7 with Mrs. Seraphin. And I advised her, again, of

8 what we were doing with respect to this stay. She

9 indicated to me that she would oppose it.

10 I invited her to come and sit down with the

11 City before this conference call today and then

12 she advised me that they were in Arkansas, and

13 they wouldn't be able to. So I then suggested

14 that we would just deal with it before the ALJ

15 today.

16 MR. HAGARTY: And if I may, Bill, again, if

17 everybody is proceeding in good faith, as I had

18 previously suggested, if it's the decision of the

19 City and of the DEP that they wish to withdraw the

20 consent decree, there are additional parties here,

21 myself and Debra Valenti-Epstein, assuming that

22 our motion to intervene will be granted, and I

23 cannot see how they will not at this point, that's

24 not a suggestion Your Honor you will not, but in

25 any event let's put it in a form of a motion filed

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1 within ten days and we allow all the parties to

2 proceed then in good faith. I would suggest to

3 Your Honor that there is no need to enter a stay

4 at this point of discovery, simply let the motion

5 of the City and DEP that wish to withdraw the

6 consent decree, allow the parties to sit down and

7 reason together on developing a new consent

8 decree.

9 MS. BISHOP: Your Honor, if I may, this is

10 Karen Bishop from the Department. The procedure

11 in which we normally go about this is that we

12 don't withdraw the consent order until we have

13 reached an agreement on the amended. So I just

14 want to make it clear that's how we would proceed

15 in the case. We would could not withdraw the

16 consent order before we have another one.

17 THE COURT: Right. I understand that.

18 MR. PENCE: And the objection to the motion

19 to stay, Your Honor, would be to permit the

20 parties to save the cost of legal fees that would

21 otherwise be spent responding to discovery

22 requests or allow supplemental motions,

23 challenging various discovery requests if at the

24 end of the 60 days there is no need for this

25 proceeding at all.

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1 THE COURT: This is what would I invite. I

2 am going to go ahead and stay it temporarily, just

3 to give the time for ya'll to get together to

4 discuss further what the plan is and perhaps you

5 all come to an agreement, and also to allow within

6 10 days for the -- for you to then file a written

7 filing, Mr. Pence, that would include the parties

8 agreement, if there is an agreement. If there is

9 not agreement, I will consider any objections to

10 the motion for a 60 day stay and rule on that. So

11 I not going to schedule a final hearing at this

12 time. Okay.

13 MR. PENCE: Thank you, Your Honor.

14 THE COURT: Is there anything else for today

15 then?

16 MR. HAGARTY: Your Honor, if you would, we

17 are at -- this is John Hagarty. At this point we

18 are proposed intervenors. If the Department truly

19 has an objection to our status, I would like them

20 to accelerate their filing so we can -- because

21 Debra Valenti-Epstein and myself would like to be

22 a part of the process.

23 THE COURT: Well, I will put this in writing,

24 but that was the point of my order earlier that

25 you are parties subject to my ruling on anything

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1 that might be filed.

2 MR. HAGARTY: All right.

3 MS. VALENTI-EPSTEIN: Thank you, Your Honor.

4 THE COURT: I will put that in writing.

5 MR. HAGARTY: Thank you, sir.

6 THE COURT: You are welcome.

7 So I am hopeful that that's all we need to

8 deal with today and that in the next 10 days

9 things will become clearer. And then perhaps

10 there be nothing else for me to deal with in this

11 case. All right.

12 MS. BISHOP: Thank you, Your Honor.

13 MR. PENCE: Thank you.

14 MR. HAGARTY: Thank you, Your Honor.

15 THE COURT: I thank you all.

16 MR. SLAVIN: Thank you, Judge.

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3 The State of Florida, )
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I, Laura Dwyer Pierle, Court Reporter, do
6 hereby certify that I was authorized to and did report
the above hearing in stenotype; and that the foregoing
7 pages numbered from 1 to 37, inclusive, are a true and
correct transcription of my stenotype notes taken
8 during said hearing.

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I further certify that I am not attorney or
10 counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or
employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected
11 with the action, nor am I financially interested in the
action.
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13 The foregoing certification of this
transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the
14 same by any means unless under the direct control
and/or direction of the certifying reporter.
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16 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my
hand this 18th day of February, 2008.
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Laura Dwyer Pierle, Notary
22 Public, in and for the State
of Florida at large.
23 My Commission Expires
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The language of dipomacy (see below) and the responsibilities of journalists to investigate, not accept handouts from governments and corporations

Three cheers for the language of diplomacy!

Presumably embarassed by the growing pollution and corruption scandals in our Nation's Oldest (European-founded) City of St. Augustine, the Alcalde (Mayor) and city officials from Aviles, Spain tactfully let St. Augustine city officials make an announcement (below) as to why our "sister city" officials cannot attend the Noche de Gala in honor of the birthday of our City's founder, Pedro Menendez de Aviles.

Do we believe the explanation? Does no one in Aviles want to visit St. Augustine any longer? Is the claim of a visit by Prime Minister candidates make sense to you?

To the St. Augustine Record: More aggressive reporting, please. We have had enough handouts from the City of St. Augustine published as "news" for a lifetime.

Delegation cannot attend Menendez Gala

Delegation cannot attend Menendez Gala



From Staff
Publication Date: 02/22/08


A delegation from Aviles, Spain will not attend St. Augustine's Pedro Menendez Gala, breaking a tradition for the annual event.

The city of St. Augustine has held the gala for years, and part of the event is to maintain a relationship with St. Augustine's sister city, Aviles. This year, no Aviles' governmental officials can attend because Spain's prime minister candidates are visiting at the time of the gala, said Paul Williamson, St. Augustine public affairs director.

The gala is a 16th century-themed masked ball to celebrate the birthday of Don Pedro Menendez. The event is this Saturday and it is held at the Lightner Museum. The ball is a held to benefit the city's historic preservation program.


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Thursday, February 21, 2008

FORMER PALM BEACH COUNTY COMMISSIONER SENTENCED TO 60 MONTHS’ IMPRISONMENT ON HONEST SERVICES FRAUD CONSPIRACY

U.S. Department of Justice Press Release
FORMER PALM BEACH COUNTY COMMISSIONER SENTENCED TO 60 MONTHS’ IMPRISONMENT ON HONEST SERVICES FRAUD CONSPIRACY
January 11, 2008

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

R. Alexander Acosta, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Jonathan I. Solomon, Special Agent in Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Miami Field Office ("FBI"), and Michael E. Yasofsky, Jr., Special Agent in Charge, Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation Division ("IRS-CI"), announced that defendant Warren H. Newell, 52, of Boynton Beach, Florida, was sentenced today by United States District Court Judge Kenneth A. Marra in West Palm Beach to 60 months of imprisonment, followed by 2 years of supervised release. The defendant was ordered to self surrender by February 15, 2008, at 2:00p.m. He had previously pled guilty to an Information charging him with a conspiracy to commit honest services fraud.

According to court records and statements made in open court, Newell defrauded the public of his honest services as an elected official, and misused his position as a Commissioner on the Palm Beach County Board of County Commissioners ("BCC") to personally enrich himself, his business partners and other associates in a series of transactions and ventures in Palm Beach County. Newell advocated and voted on matters while he concealed his true financial interests, and engaged in a deceptive practice of filing incomplete, false and misleading disclosures designed to misdirect the public and conceal his true financial interests.

During his guilty plea, Newell admitted to having an undisclosed financial interest in a water storage project located on property owned by Palm Beach Aggregates ("Aggregates"), a land holding and mining company in Palm Beach County. The Aggregates water storage project involved the potential sale of a tract of land to the South Florida Water Management District ("SFWMD") for future regional water storage. In this transaction, Newell allegedly misused his position by voting for funding of the water storage project without disclosing that he stood to personally profit through a secret "success fee" contract between one of Newell's business partners at his engineering firm, SFRN, and Aggregates if the sale of the property to SFWMD was consummated.

According to the Information and the plea, to conceal his hidden financial interest in the success fee contract, Newell's share of the success fee profits was funneled through SFRN and disguised as "bonus payments," or in one instance as a $200,000 personal loan from his partner.

Newell further concealed his financial interest in this transaction by filing false and misleading disclosure forms with the BCC that materially omitted his financial connection to the water storage project. Newell received approximately $366,000 in proceeds from the undisclosed success fee contract.

In addition, Newell misused his elected position to advocate an expenditure of $14 million of taxpayer monies for the purchase of the working waterfront preservation easement and restrictive covenants for Palm Beach Yacht Center ("PBYC") without disclosing a material financial debt he owed to PBYC and his financial partnership with one its owners. At several BCC meetings, Newell failed to disclose that he docked his boat at PBYC, and that he owed PBYC significant boat dockage fees. Newell further failed to reveal that he had been, and continued to be, a partner with the owner of PBYC in two different financial institutions in Palm Beach County. The Information also alleges that Newell later attempted to cover up this conflict of interest by creating the appearance that he had paid his $40,000 outstanding debt to PBYC. To accomplish this subterfuge, Newell caused a bogus SFRN invoice to be issued to PBYC, which was paid by PBYC. PBYC's payment was immediately disbursed to Newell, and Newell in turn subsequently used that money to make a payment on his PBYC debt. Therefore, in actuality, Newell paid PBYC with PBYC's own monies, and essentially received a $40,000 kickback in the form of debt forgiveness of his dockage fees.

In addition, Newell failed to disclose his true financial interest in a business venture involving two vacant adjacent parcels of real estate situated in Newell's district, in Lake Worth. Newell and two other partners contracted to purchase vacant property, and formed three separate limited liability companies to develop and build medical office buildings. A contingency in the contract eventually required that the owners obtain an abandonment of a right-of-way easement owned by Palm Beach County that split the two parcels and obtain extensions in the time limitations to develop the property. Although Newell assigned his contract interests and resigned, in the same month as his resignation, he twice voted on those contract contingencies at the BCC without disclosing his previous financial relationship with the project. According to the Information, Newell used his resignation to justify his public action, but fully expected to be compensated at the time of the success of the project. To further conceal his hidden financial interest in a successful outcome of the property investment, Newell once again caused a false and fraudulent invoice to be issued by SFRN as a means by which he obtained monies for his sole and exclusive use from the profitable sale of the property. Newell also filed false and misleading disclosure forms relating to the land deal.

U.S. Attorney Acosta stated, “The lengthy sentence imposed by Judge Marra reflects the seriousness of Mr. Newell’s offense.” Mr. Acosta commended the investigative efforts of the IRS and FBI. The case was prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys John Kastrenakes, Julia A. Paylor, Stephen Carlton, and Antonia Barnes.

A copy of this press release may be found on the website of the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida at http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/fls. Related court documents and information may be found on the website of the District Court for the Southern District of Florida at http://www.flsd.uscourts.gov or on http://pacer.flsd.uscourts.gov.

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Judge Traynor Helps Give St. Augusine Officials a Spinal Implant (see below)

Speculators and their lawyers (like George McClure, f/k/a "He Who Must be Obeyed") formerly got away with murdering our history and our environmental heritage.

They almost succeeded into turning our Nation's Oldest City into an ugly unreasonable facsimile of South Florida.

How? Among other means, by stirring up Commissioners' unresasonable fear of litigation, the notion (shared by former County Commissioners and Commissioner Jamses Bryant) that the public must be ignored because the speculators might sue. Boo hoo.

Our City Commissioners rightly rejected a project that would destroy the gateway to Anastasia Island along SR 312. (See below).

Cheers to our City for doing the right thing.

Cheers to the Court for reaffirming our City's right to regulate metastazing "growth."

Court: City right in denying Fish Island

Court: City right in denying Fish Island



By KATI BEXLEY
kati.bexley@staugustine.com
Publication Date: 02/21/08


The city of St. Augustine has won a round in court over the proposed Fish Island dock and marina, an action that the city hopes will bolster its defense in a $9 million lawsuit the developer has filed against the city.

Circuit Judge Michael Traynor ruled Wednesday that the St. Augustine Planning and Zoning Board's and the City Commission's denial of the dock in May and June was legally sufficient.

The judge wrote that the commission's decision was "... based on competent substantial evidence, (and) the Board did comply with the ... law, and (the developer) was afforded procedural due process."

But the city might still have to battle Fish Island Development LLC in a nearly $9 million lawsuit. The developer claims the city's decision will cause $2.7 million in value loss to the property and $6.2 million in value loss of future marina sales, totaling $8.9 million, according to court documents.

"(The developer) could say just because the denial was legally sufficient that doesn't mean it doesn't burden our property," City Attorney Ron Brown said. "The city doesn't believe that, and this (ruling) can only help us."

Fish Island's attorney, Richard Maguire of Rogers Towers P.A., did not return calls for comment. Fred Halback of Halback Design Group, who designed landscaping for the upscale project, did not want to comment because he not yet spoken to the developer, Jim Young of Jacksonville. Young could not be reached for comment.

Fish Island Development sought a dock and marina as part of its planned upscale development on Anastasia Island south of the Mickler O'Connell Bridge (S.R. 312). The proposed dock was to be more than 1,200 feet long and about 10 feet wide to accommodate golf carts. The marina was to hold 100 fifty-foot yachts.

Opponents of the project said they were concerned about safety, erosion, destruction of the environment and loss of the Fish Island vista to the public.

The city's Planning and Zoning Board denied the project twice and the City Commission supported the Board's denial.

Once the developer gave notice on Jan. 17 of the potential lawsuit, the city has 180 days to either settle with the developer or look at other ways the developer can use the property.

If a resolution is not found during that time, the developer can then move forward with his lawsuit.


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Tuesday, February 19, 2008

DISHONOR ROLL -- Not Only Does SUSAN BURK Often Miss Meetings, She Rolls Her Eyes and Shows Contempt for Citizens at Commission Meetings (see below)

DISHONOR ROLL



DISHONOR ROLL
During the past five years, controversial St. Augustine City Commissioner SUSAN BURK has missed more meetings than all other St. Augustine City Commissioners combined – at least 25. That’s not even counting meetings where she left early, like the November 13, 2007 meeting she left early, missing the vote on repatriating solid waste to Lincolnville. The 25 meetings incumbent St. Augustine Commissioner Susan Burk missed entirely include three (3) absences that were excused.
August 26, 2002 (excused)
September 26, 2002 (excused)
February 5, 2003
March 5, 2003
May 19, 2003 (continued meeting)
June 23, 2003
July 10, 2003
September 11, 2003
October 9, 2003
April 5, 2004
October 25, 2004
January 10, 2005
January 24, 2005
June 13, 2005 (excused)
July 13, 2005
December 12, 2005
May 24, 2006
June 26, 2006
September 11, 2006
October 9, 2006
December 4, 2006
December 11, 2006
January 22, 2007
September 6, 2007
January 28, 2008
That’s about 1/5 of the meetings we paid SUSAN BURK to attend. To be continued.......

Monday, February 18, 2008

Editorial: No dumping resolution best for Lincolnville

Editorial: No dumping resolution best for Lincolnville
Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2008 ; Updated: 7:51 AM on Sunday, February 17, 2008

The city of St. Augustine has found the best way, we believe, to end the battle with the Lincolnville community over contents of an old Riberia Street landfill.

The new proposal is in the working stages prior to final approval from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection.

It will allow the city to give a landfill in Nassau County cover soil, which will be the result of sifting out the solid waste and sending it to a landfill yet to be chosen, instead of returning it to Riberia Street from Holmes Boulevard.

The landfill's contents are in a Holmes Boulevard borrow pit where they were taken by the city more than two years ago.

DEP cited the city for illegal dumping and the city had to detour from its original plan.

The city then got permission from DEP to remove the material from Holmes, screen it so it would be free of solid waste, and then return the resulting soil to Riberia Street.

But Lincolnville residents screamed foul and the chorus got larger and louder. Charges of environmental racism were made against the city because Lincolnville is an historically black community.

John Regan, the city's chief operations officer and project manager, heard the outcry at City Commission meetings and community meetings.

After many acrimonious comments about the city's proposed action, a petition against the city plan filed by residents to the DEP and a subsequent DEP investigation, Regan led the city back to the drawing board.

In some respects, Regan is a digger, a sifter himself. He and city staff went over the options the city initially studied before planning to take the soil sifted from the solid waste from Holmes back to Riberia.

Although the DEP signed off on the removal from Holmes back to Riberia, DEP officials have agreed to let the city come up with an alternative plan.

Too many caustic meetings and comments made the original plan unworkable although it seemed to us a sound solution originally.

The new plan will still cost about $800,000 but it appears to be a much better resolution.

The material at Holmes will be removed from Holmes, and screened by heavy machinery so that any solid waste is sifted out. The soil left is what will go to the Nassau County landfill as top cover.

The city then will pay to dump the solid waste in another landfill, not yet selected.

As of Friday afternoon, Regan was confident an agreement will be reached with Nassau County.

Lincolnville residents showed that if you speak out and do your homework, you will be heard at all levels of government.

Regan showed he was willing to listen to the community and find a better resolution.

This is a lesson in government ingenuity.

(c) St. Augustine Record 2008

Guest Column: Definitions of theory, evolution misunderstood

Guest Column: Definitions of theory, evolution misunderstood



Lois Troxell
St. Augustine
Publication Date: 02/18/08


I read the recent article in your paper about the 80-million-year-old fossil that may be a link between pre-historic and modern crocodiles. If it lived that long ago, how can the earth be only 5,000 years old according to creationism, and how can you expect creationism's erroneous information to be taught in our science classes? Apparently, The Record expects just that you recently published an editorial praising the School Board for its "flexibility'' resolution regarding the teaching of evolution. "Flexibility'' seems to be the latest buzzword to enable fundamentalists to slip creationism into the science curriculum. Either The Record is publishing lies about evolution how about the 40,000-year-old Neanderthal tooth published on Feb. 9 or the paper doesn't believe the creationist teachings and is pandering to perceived readers.

I expect the editors of a newspaper in a rapidly growing, progressive area, such as St. Johns County, to be more knowledgeable. The same goes for the School Board. You should publish the names of those who voted to allow "flexibility'' so that voters who want quality, world-class education for their children will know who to vote against in the next elections.

The definition of theory in science is not the same as the definition that we use in everyday terminology. We handle it by learning the proper definition and when to use it. The definition of theory in science is an umbrella concept under which are thousands of facts to back it up. It is never a half-baked idea thrown out for discussion, which is often how we use it in an ordinary discussions.

Science is a fluid process, but the theory has remained relatively stable since Darwin proposed it. Francis Collins, a scientist and a true believer, who wrote "The Language of God," said that the DNA evidence for evolution is overwhelming. Chimps have 99.9 percent the same DNA as humans. Two of the chimps chromosomes are almost identical to a single-fused chromosome in us. Many of our genes that no longer perform any function are found and are functioning in lower animals.

The fear that evolution instills in some people is very puzzling. Why would anyone expect the Bible, written so long ago, to be a book of modern science? The scientific information uncovered since the Bible was written must lead thinking people to realize that efforts to turn the Bible into a book of science are doomed to failure. If we become a nation of closed-minded fundamentalists and expect religion to determine our government and our science, we are sure to become an insular, non-progressive, third-world nation. It is disappointing to see letter after letter using incorrect information about evolution. No dialogue can occur unless people are using the same definitions. The definition of theory and the word evolution are misused.

If you believe that:


mastodons and saber-toothed tigers used to roam the earth and are not here today, but elephants and tigers are here and did not used to be (there are fossils of them from the time period of the former);


the horse was once the size of a dog and gradually increased through the rock layers of time to the present-day horse (photos of these fossils have been in textbooks for years and the actual fossils can be seen in museums);


we get new vaccines and antibiotics because the organisms' species have changed;

Then you believe in evolution, no matter what else you believe. This is a marvelous beautiful plan that any Creator would be proud to own.



Lois Troxell, Ed.D., is a retired biology teacher from Palm Beach.


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